This week, I'm joined by fellow podcast pioneer Brian Salvatore as we discuss the first 20 years of podcasting. Listen to the episode below or download directly (right click and "save as").
Show notes:
- Brian: First heard about podcasts in 2004
- Started making the FrankBlack.net Podcast in 2006
- Jay: Got my first iPod in 2004 and then learned about podcasts
- Brian: The internet was so much better 20 years ago
- Great for digging into niche interests
- Jay and Brian met through the Frank Black podcast in 2010 and realized that Brian lived near Jay's brother-in-law
- Jay: The start of CompCon in 2006
- Always loved radio but never worked at the college station
- First few years were just me talking about pop culture
- Eventually started bringing on guests after a few years
- Podcasting got an early boost when Apple started a podcast directory
- Early podcasts I listened to were by Adam Curry, Ricky Gervais
- Marc Maron started his podcast in 2009 and is airing his last episode next week
- Now everybody's got a podcast
- Brian: Before podcasts, blogging was a thing
- Brian produces podcasts for other people in addition to his own
- Podcasting never became a career for us, just a hobby
- But some people have made lots of money from them
- Brian: Not much innovation in the podcast space lately
- Music podcasts were hampered by copyright issues
- Podcast networks started popping up
- Conan O'Brien created a great podcast after his TV talk show went away
- Podcasting is much more interesting than commercial radio these days
- Brian: Grew up loving radio, especially WFMU
- Jay: College radio is still good, but commercial radio blows
- DJs used to be dependable arbiters of taste
- Now everything's heavily formatted
- Jay: Been doing my own radio show on BFF.fm for the last 12 years
- Brian co-owns a sports podcast company
- People have trouble committing to a show once they start it
- Listening habits have changed
- Jay: Currently listen to WTF, The Best Show, sports shows about Toronto teams, The Lonely Island and Seth Meyers
- Brian: Election Profitmakers, Song Exploder, Never Not Funny, Conan, Indiecast, Who Cares About the Rock Hall?, Mets podcasts
- So much content to wade through
- Just like with music; it's much easier to release an album now but there's so much out there
- Tough to make it as a musician now
- Podcasts have gone beyond a niche thing
- Jay: I love listening to audio
- The value of playing songs people haven't heard a zillion times
- Every celebrity has a podcast
- Will podcasts go back to the indie days at some point?
- Jay: I do two podcasts for work
- The bubble will burst at some point
- AI could have a strange, negative effect
- Connections formed via podcasting
- Brian: Start a podcast, people
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The opening and closing theme of Completely Conspicuous is "Theme to Big F'in Pants" by Jay Breitling. Voiceover work is courtesy of James Gralian.
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